Monday, November 7, 2011

Nerditorial: Occupy Bellingham (November 7, 2011)

My previous Nerditorial regarding Occupy Bellingham drew many spirited comments.

Including this one...


Make up your mind. Do you want the police to enforce the law or not? Bellingham Municipal Code section 8.04.080 states "Overnight camping is prohibited on park property except by written permission of the Director of Parks and Recreation."


What you want is for the police to enforce the law selectively. You want them to pick and choose which laws to enforce and which ones not to enforce.
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This one...


So now that we've established it's OK to camp just about anywhere as long as you have some type of occupy sign posted can I take my family to a State Park and camp for free? I promise I'll post an "I'm Occupying This Tent Site" sign as a protest to all the people who don't have the money to pay for a campsite.
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this one....


I don't think there is enough information here to decide if the police non-action was justified or not. He was "allegedly violent" in his "actions and words", well that doesn't tell enough of the story for readers to understand what was going on at all. Police don't arrest people unless they break the law, and removing someone from a public property would require a trespass action if there were sufficient legal grounds.
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...and my personal favorite...


You quote the WA post but fail to include the rest of the article which read


"Lt. Christopher Micciche (MITCH’-ih-kay) of the D.C. police said the driver was not cited because he had a green light when his vehicle struck the three at around 10 p.m.


The protesters were apparently trying to block the roadway,” Micciche said. “It was essentially an accident where three individuals were injured but they were in violation by being in the roadway.”


Micciche said witnesses told police that the three pedestrians “either ran toward or jumped in front of the moving vehicle.” He said one pedestrian jumped on the hood of the car.
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Oh... where do I begin?

In terms of the first quoted comment which raises the loaded question of "Do we want the Police to enforce the law or not..."

...I say, we do want the law enforced.

The Constitution (pardon the phrasing here) constitutes the highest law of the land. And that law enforces and protect the right of citizens to assemble and express themselves.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly held, whether the Justices were conservative or liberal, that political speech enjoys the highest level of protection under the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has consistently held this view since the first days of the Republic itself.

When Occupy Bellingham stakes the claim that "The First Amendment Is Our Permit", they don't do so lightly.

The act of occupying the Encampment in Maritime Heritage Park is clearly an act of politically symbolic speech.

We expect the police to enforce that law, and respect that speech.

We also expect the police to enforce other laws, such as laws against being drunk and disorderly, and public nuisance, and other acts which clearly fall outside of the protection of the first amendment.

Oliver Wendell Holmes, a Supreme Court Justice, put it elegantly when he said...


The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins.

So, that establishes to my satisfaction that stomping around picking fights with, and throwing punches at, Occupy Bellingham participants does not constitute politically protected speech.

Since such action is not protected by the First Amendment, the police have some obligation to protect the safety of those who are lawfully, and Constitutionally, exercising their First Amendment rights to free speech and assembly.

I don't expect a police officer to be a Constitutional scholar. Police have plenty on their plates on the best of days. However, I do expect the police to protect citizens, particularly those who are exercising their First Amendment rights in a conspicuously non-violent manner.

The police can't have it both ways. They have to enforce the law, and respect the highest law of the land while doing so.

When there is conflict between the Bellingham Municipal Code and the Constitution, the Bellingham Municipal Code yields, not the Constitution.

As to comment #2, this is not about camping for free. To reduce the Occupy Movement to that is absurd.

If you don't know what the Occupy Movement is about by now, it is you who are unfocused.

But if you want to go freeze your butt off "for free", go for it. If you think you described an act of symbolic political speech, enjoy the cold.

As to comment #3, I take exception to the notion that my judicious use of the work "allegedly" is being used to assert that nothing happened.

There is no doubt as to the fact that there was conflict. I only used the work allegedly to establish that the conflict may or may not have crossed a line into criminal conduct.

My decision to chose not to assert that someone committed a crime, when no one was given a proper day in court, is not to be used to assert that maybe nothing happened at all.

Nice try. Go back to Fox News. You will be happier getting your information from there.

As to comment #4...

Are you clinically insane?

The protesters were "in violation of being in the roadway"?

Bravo Sierra.

It is not okay to hit people with your goddamn car because a goddamn light is green. I don't care who says otherwise. If an on duty police officer says that, then that police officer is goddamn wrong.

Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ...

The Occupy Movement has a lot of the right people uncomfortable, and the stress cracks are beginning to show.

You critics need to chill out, or take a nap.

This isn't be beginning of the end, folks. This is the end of the beginning.

29 comments:

  1. So are you asserting Jesus wore taps on his sandals? I think he did some sliding, shucking and jiving in Superstar, but I don't remember tap dancing. The tap dancing of which you speak was in the court room scene from Chicago and I believe it was Rene' , Richard and the woman who's name I don't recall, not Jesus doing the fast stepping. But Jeesuz H I could be wrong.

    And besides, I don't think water makes a tap when you dance on it, more like a slap; unless it's really shallow like the water tricks Cirque du Soleil uses in O when hydraulic steps ascend to allow the performer to appear to walk, not tap, on water. of course I could be wrong as I had imbibed a few cocktails when I saw O in Vegas and slapping could have been tapping.

    As for your legal analysis, that was pretty goddamn succinct, but whether it will sink in to goddamn hard heads is another matter. It may just end up tapping on a hard noggin that only sounds like slappin' to a head full of mush Ocupied with visions of too many people having too much fun in freezing cold at the goddamn expense of those who find that political free speech bugs the tap dancing Christ-ian he'll outta them.

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  2. I agree, "It is not okay to hit people with your goddamn car because a goddamn light is green."

    But surely you can agree that if you run or jump into the path of a moving car and it hits you that it's your own goddamn fault if you get hurt.

    I'm also not sure I agree that camping in a city park constitutes legitimate speech. Occupy Bellingham is a demonstration against corporate greed and income inequality -- camping in the park has nothing to do with any of that.

    You can assemble and you can protest without camping. So I don't see how enforcing the law against camping in the park would violate your right to assemble in the park and protest there.

    Should I be able to discharge firearms in a city park (assuming that I take adequate safety precautions) as long as I say that I'm doing it for a political purpose? Afterall, don't I have a first amendment right to free speech and a second amendment right to bear arms?

    Wonder if I think the .08% BAC for DUI is too low, should I be able to sit in the park and get drunk (as long as I'm not violent) so that I can demonstrate to people that I'm still OK to drive at .15%. Sure there are laws against public drunkeness, but I'm getting drunk for political reasons. Don't I have a first amendment right to protest the DUI laws if I think they're unjust?

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  3. Any moose, Oh for tap dancing Jesus' sake on a crispy crunchy fried cross....you must be a cop, a lawyer or a wannabe, just a bad one......but thanks for the laughs at your expense........

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  4. Since it seems like you don't get the point. I think a substantial part of the Occupy Bellingham encampment is a hobo camp that's only pretending to be a political demonstration.

    I base my opinion on my experience with the "occupiers" there who've panhandled me and who I've seen/smelled drinking and smoking weed. I've had more of them ask me for my spare change than try to give me a flyer or a leaflet explaining their position.

    The last panhandler I ran into there was wearing a button attacking Bank Of America. I told him if he could tell me who Bank Of America's CEO was that I'd give him $20. Of course he had no idea, which makes me think that he was there for non-political purposes.

    I think it is an abuse of the first amendment to try and dress-up unlawful activity, such as overnight camping in a city park as speech -- especially when that activity has absolutely nothing to do with the underlying cause of the protest.

    Explain to me what overnight camping in a city park has to do with income inequality and corporate greed. If you can't explain the connection (and so far nobody has), then how can you possibly believe that the activity constitutes speech or a petition for the redress of grievences?

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  5. No I get it and I would call an A hole for your elitist statements ...but who cares if you get the protest or not, you are a recalcitrant, hardened in your ways and stuck in a rut that you might likely never climb out of until B of A takes your home or you get outsourced or end up on the streets asking for spare change in a country that does not care for the lower economic classes upon who's backs all capitalistic successes are built. That you are no less of a victim than the guy scraping by at Mc Donald's seems to have eluded you and I am sorry for the state of denial and confusion you find yourself in. good luck....

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  6. @Anonymous (Nov 8, 12:24 p.m.)

    I've been to the Occupy Bellingham Encampment nearly every day, including covering overnight security for the camp in the wee hours.

    You are liar.

    With the sole exception of the individual who had to be "banished" from the camp, no one in the camp has violated the self imposed "no drugs or alcohol" policy.

    The smell of marijuana is unmistakeable from anything else, and if there were such a smell in the camp I would have detected it.

    I didn't. Because no one in the camp is using it, let alone selling it.

    I'm telling the truth, and you are lying.

    ApexNerd

    (P.S.: Liar)

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  7. Since this is happening in a public park, nobody has to believe what either one of us says. They can go there and see for themselves who the liar is, and I hope they do.

    I also notice that you didn't explain how camping constitutes speech. What is the link between sleeping in a tent and protesting income inequality and corporate greed?

    How would enforcing the city's no camping ordinance violate your first amendment right to assemble in the park and hold a protest? The law doesn't say you can't have a protest rally, it just says you can't camp overnight in the park. I'm not seeing a conflict there with the first amendment.

    I've been attacked because I don't "get" the format of the protest, but none of you are making the slightest effort to explain it to me either -- and I think it's because you don't have an explanation. You know as well as I do that a protest rally is one thing, and camping is something else.

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  8. Boy , look up the word obtuse and there must be a picture of thee....

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  9. Egyptians camped out in the square for days to oust Mubarak. Various protests over the years have camped in the Park across from the White House. Thousands camped out at Woodstock to come together and stop the war. A protest that goes on for days may just be a camp out to you, but only a blathering hard headed practitioner of the arts of the obtuse would not be able to recognize the difference between a protest that goes on for days and a camp out at Larrabee. you may think you are making a great point, so put your name on it...then wait for your friends to ask if you are stupid or something...

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  10. This isn't Tahir Square. From what I've seen in Maritime Heritage Park, Occupy Bellingham is being used by vagrants as an excuse to set-up an illegal hobo camp in the park. I think a lot of the people there aren't there for any political purpose at all, the politics is just an excuse.

    I know I've been panhandled there and seen alchohol and smelled marijuana, and wouldn't be surprised if there were other, easier to conceal drugs (needles, pills, etc...), there too.

    I've seen two occupy camps: Bellingham and Vancouver. I will say the Bellingham one appears to have a lot less drugs and alchohol than the Vancouver one, but it's here too. Occupy Vancouver is blatantly unsanitary and drug infested, Bellingham isn't as bad but it clearly has some of the same problems.

    Anyone who thinks I'm stupid can go to the park and take a look around there for themselves, because I'm stating the obvious.

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  11. I don't know your name stranger,, but your obtuseness seems familiar...same old lying shyte over and over again, definitely clinical.....

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  12. Sounds like old Pudge-pot....

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  13. According to what I read in the Bellingham Herald this morning, "Occupy Bellingham" was only able to convince 9 people to speak to the County Council on behalf of the movement last night. They wanted 99 people to show-up and speak for three minutes each, but only 9 people came. They fell 91% short of their goal.

    If you people are right, and the encampment in Maritime Herritage Park is a legitimate political protest and not the hobo camp that I'm saying it is, then explain why the campers weren't all chomping at the bit to speak to the county council?

    I haven't taken a head count of the campers, but I'm positive you've got a lot more than 9 people camped out there. Does it make sense to you that a person who is willing to camp out in the rain and the cold for several weeks, allegedly to draw attention to a political cause, would be unwilling to walk a couple of blocks to a meeting and talk about their cause for three minutes -- especially when the meeting is going to be broadcast to the entire community on channel 10?

    Simple logic dictates that you should have a harder time finding people who are willing to camp out in the rain and cold for your cause, than you'd have finding people to just come and talk about it for three minutes at a meeting.

    Here's how this makes sense: The Occupy Bellingham encampment is a hobo camp that's disguising itself as a political protest so the police won't shut it down. The campers there don't know the first thing about the cause they're supposed to be protesting. The political cause is just an excuse they're using to set-up an illegal hobo camp. The reason they wouldn't go to the meeting and talk about the cause is because they don't have anything to say about it, because they're not really protestors.

    There's an old saying that says, "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". Well it truns out that you can scatter some protest signs around a hobo camp too, but it's still just a hobo camp.

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  14. The Whatcom County Council has no cache with Wall Street, so many decided it was a silly sideshow. If a piggish homeless hater/Wall Street shill like yourself had ever been to a Whatcom County Council meeting, you would know they are pretty much a rubber stamp festival for Chairman Crawford of the Truly Slimey's amusement with a couple of principled but lonely and outnumbered credible council folks thrown in for effect.

    You can dress up your stunted views with a lot of words meant to give a false impression of intellect, but they are still boiled bad cut of pork on a plate.

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  15. @Anonymous (Nov 10, 2011 8:33 AM)

    If we had mustered 99 souls to appear (let alone speak) at County Council last night, it is unlikely that you would have budged from your "hobo camp" position an inch.

    It is more likely that you would have used the large numbers to insist that Occupy Bellingham obviously has too many people with too much time on their hands... and they are now a hobo camp again.

    Nice try.

    We hope to have more folks attend the next County Council meeting.

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  16. Oh, now I get it. Explaining your cause to the county council and to the public via channel 10 is a "silly sideshow", but camping in Maritime Herritage Park isn't a "silly sideshow" at all. Freezing your nuts off in the park -- that's what's really important. Explaining the movement and informing the public -- you're right, that's for retards.

    I'm sure you'll call me "obtuse" for asking, but if explaining your protest to the people of Whatcom County is such a waste of your precious time because nobody here has any "cache" with Wall St., then why are you having your protest in Whatcom County? Why don't you pack up your tents and go bother someone who can actually do something for you instead of occupying the City of Bellingham's park?

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  17. @ Apex - I wouldn't think it was a hobo camp if the people there were doing something constructive like handing out flyers and leaflets to passers by, and if I didn't get panhandeld everytime I walked by your so-called "protest". The fact that nobody showed-up to speak to the council merely corroborates what anyone who goes to the park can clearly see: that the protest encampment is really just a hobo camp.

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  18. I said the county council moron, not the larger community......and channel 10 is only in the city. I like my 400 channels on Dish out in the county.

    But keep up with the hobo camp horse pucky since it makes you sound like a frigging elitist and an A hole to boot.

    So to you Woody Guthrie was just a useless hobo? The man did more taking a crap in one morning than you have probably done for your fellow man your entire obtusivity plagued life.

    Have you ever frozen your nuts off for anything? Do you even have a pair?

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  19. I realize that "girls" are never welcome during these debates - but the context of the current protest is well known to all - a deregulated wall street made risky bets to enrich themselves, and we - the American people and our shredded economy - wound up losing much of our hard earned wealth, many of our family wage jobs and too many of our future dreams. Wall Street gambled - CEO's profited - and the American people lost something that we all believed was sacred. Our hopes and dreams for a prosperous future.

    Those protesters At Heritage Park (scum that they may be) are the people spoken about in our Constitution. They are the 99% who can not afford a lobbyist or a jester at King George's Court. In fact, the founding fathers added the First Amendment to our Constitution to safe guard the right of those "scum bags" to gather and protest, for occasions just like this. Imagine that - "rift raft" exercising their Constitutional rights right here in Bellingham. Despite "new" conservative ideals - and corporate control of our government. Control that was not acceptable in the 1770's and is certainly is not acceptable now. Bring our jobs back, encourage U.S. corporations to start jobs here, not in China, refinance underwater mortgages and help Americans regain control of their government.

    Abraham Lincoln said it best - A government of the people, by the people, for the people. I don't remember Lincoln stumping for the 1%. But then again, I'm just a girl... And the founding fathers (and their hopes and dreams for this nation) are dead.

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  20. Girls are always welcome, especially when the conversation descends to talking about whether or not one has cojones in camp and if they are chilly or not .... ;)

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  21. @ Shaun - If you address the county council, the things you say are a matter of public record and they put you on TV. You can't address the council without addressing the larger community. You can't separate one from the other. Channel 10 might only be avaliable on Bellingham (unless you watch the live web stream, or the VOD on their website), but 41% of the county lives in Bellingham. The reason why many of the people from the camp chose not to address the council, and by extension the larger public, is because they've got nothing to say.

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  22. @ Admin - I never said the homeless people camping out in the park were scum, what I'm saying is that they're not engaged in political speech.

    Most homeless people have a substance abuse problem or a mental illness that prevents them from participating in the economy. The homeless people in this country exist outside of our economy. The things that happen on Wall St. have nothing to do with them.

    The OWS movement is exploiting them for their own agenda, and I think that's sleazy. It isn't going to help the homeless one bit to reform the tax code, forgive mortgage debt for people underwater, or to regulate Wall St. more strictly. None of that helps the homeless.

    What the homeless people need is food, shelter, and counseling programs to help them overcome their problems -- regulating Wall St. and changing the tax code have nothing to do with meeting their needs.

    From what I see, OWS is letting homeless people come in and set-up hobo camps, and then they're turning around and pointing at these camps as evidence of their movement's strength in order to demand things that have nothing to do with the people in the camps.

    I agree with some parts of OWS's agenda. It is an undeniable fact that corporations are buying political favors from our government, and that isn't right. I also agree that corporations and executives who engaged in illegal activity or otherwise defrauded investors should be held criminally responsible.

    However, I think the bottom 99% are just as greedy and bear just as much responsibility for trashing our economy as the top 1%.

    The gains realized by the top 1% were not stolen from the bottom 99%. The median, inflation adjusted, household income of American families was higher in 2007 than at any point in American history. The average American family had more purchasing power in 2007 than it had ever had before.

    The thing that's killing the people in the bottom 99% is their debts. They've got more income, but they're getting pinched because they're spending more than they earn. Household debt is through the roof. The top 1% aren't holding a gun to their head and forcing them to do that, they're doing it on their own.

    In fairness, the bad financial decisions that the bottom 99% makes are being encouraged by the government. By setting interest rates so low, the government is discouraging them from saving and encouraging them to borrow.

    If you've got a savings account, your money is losing purchasing power while it sits in the bank. The interest your savings account collects is less than the rate of inflation, so there is a strong disincentive to save.

    At the same time, rock bottom interest rates made it so people could afford to borrow larger sums of money. The housing bubble is a direct consequence of that. Absent low interest rates, prices never would have been bid up as high as they were, and these people wouldn't be underwater today because they wouldn't have paid as much for their house.

    None of that is Wall Street's fault, the government establishes the monetary policy, and Wall St. just reacts to it. Our political leaders (from the 80s until today) have cut interest rates to stimulate consumption and short term economic growth, but they've done it at the expense of our long term economic viability.

    We have a totally unsustainable economy. Consumption constitutes 70% of our economic activity. There is no way any economy that consumes more than it produces can survive, it can only continue as long as there are lenders willing to prop it up. We're screwed the minute China and our other creditors decide that it costs them more to prop us up than to let us fail.

    It's not just the corporations who send the jobs overseas that are to blame either. The consumers in this country are just as guilty. If the 99% had insisted on American-made products instead of opting to save a buck by buying a foreign made equivalent, then we'd have more productive jobs here.

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  23. yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda, hobos. Yadda yadda yadda yadda
    Yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda 99% just as bad as top 1% yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda, signed pudgy obstinate ignorant fool

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  24. Shaun, You and the people who share your attitude are the reason why the only thing OWS will ever succeed in doing is setting up a bunch of hobo camps in city parks. You're a liability to your cause. I feel sorry for anyone involved with OWS who actually has a brain and has to put up with a pissed off loser like you.

    Obviously someone in OWS was intelligent enough to realize that going on television and talking to the county council was a good way to make their case to the public, but their problem is that Occupy Bellingham is made-up of hobos with nothing to say and a bunch of lazy good for nothing losers like you Shaun. So they couldn't get anyone to speak.

    You'd rather sit on your ass out in the county watching Bill Maher and Michael Moore on your 400 channels of Dish Network, and getting pissed off with the 1%, than come down to the court house for three lousy minutes to explain your cause to those of us who are intelligent enough to realize that guys like Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Moore, and Bill Maher are nothing but entertainers who pander to their audience because they know they'd be out of a job if they didn't sell movie tickets and get good ratings.

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  25. The only people who watch Channel 10 are pols who like to see themselves on TV, those actively involved in an issue covered, the extemely bored in nursing homes and hospitals, and the odd channel surfer who lingers less than 10 seconds, so the park, which obviously got your attention span and coverage on mainstream news sources across the state is the best vehicle.

    You are less consequential Pudge, than the pimple on either Moore's or Maher's or Jon Stewart's derierre.....go ply your obstinacy on Sound Politics or find another sports poll to corrupt...

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  26. You're right Shaun, the encampments are getting publicity: negative publicity. There's a story in the news every day about someone dying or getting raped in one of these camps. Two people died today, a guy in Oakland got shot, a guy in Vermont committed suicide, and they found a corpse at the camp in New Orleans today, the medical examiner says the guy had been dead for two days before anyone noticed. There are several stories a day coming out about people from the camps vandalizing private property, getting in fights, and generally being a menace to the public.

    As we head into winter, the next shoe to drop is certain to be the spread of disease in the camps. This is absolutely predictable, anytime you've got people living together in close quarters without adequate sanitation facilities (because the parks you're camping in aren't designed to accomodate camping) disease is sure to follow.

    I'm not a fan of the tea party, but OWS could learn a lot from them. They organize rallies and grab people's attention without violence and people dying, and they organize to back political candidates that share their agenda. That's how a movement gets what it wants, camping in the park won't make it happen.

    The only thing you're going to do with these camps is alienate the public. The longer you let them go on, the less sympathetic the public is going to be to your cause.

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  27. You are nothing if not booooring......but stay out of the camps that way you won't pass on your obsession disease, won't get any jitters(other than this munching away in your cranium) and you won't have to witness the exercise of free speech you just can't fathom....and this is all because as always Pudge, you are boring to a fault...

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  28. Anonymous - FYI: there were 12,996 murders in the U.S. in 2010.

    The cause of "camps" and increases in national poverty is the recession. I'm including a excerpt and a link from the Brookings Institute for your perusal.

    "Being poor in a very poor neighborhood subjects residents to costs and limitations above and beyond the burdens of individual poverty. Summarized in part below, research has shown the wide-ranging social and economic effects that result when the poor are concentrated in economically segregated and disadvantaged neighborhoods.

    Concentrated poverty can:
    Limit educational opportunity. Children in high-poverty communities tend to go to neighborhood schools where nearly all the students are poor and at greater risk of failure, as measured by standardized tests, dropout rates, and grade retention.

    Low performance owes not only to family background, but also to the negative effects high-poverty neighborhoods have on school
    processes and quality. Teachers in these schools tend to be less experienced, the student body more mobile, and additional systems must often be put in place to deal with the social welfare needs of the student body, creating further demands on limited resources.

    Lead to increased crime rates and poor health outcomes. Crime rates, and particularly violent crime rates, tend to be higher in economically distressed inner-city neighborhoods.

    Faced with high crime rates, dilapidated housing stock, and the stress and marginalization of poverty, residents of very poor neighborhoods demonstrate a higher incidence of poor physical and mental health outcomes, like asthma, depression, diabetes, and heart ailments.

    Hinder wealth building. Many residents in extreme-poverty neighborhoods own their home, yet neighborhood conditions in these areas can lead the market to devalue these assets and deny them the ability to accumulate wealth through the appreciations of house prices.

    Moreover, the presence of high-poverty neighborhoods can affect residents of the larger metropolitan area generally, depressing values for owner-occupied properties in the region by 13 percent on average.

    Reduce private-sector investment and increase prices for goods and services. High concentrations of low-income and low-skilled households in a neighborhood can make the community less attractive to private investors and employers, which may limit local job opportunities and ultimately create a “spatial mismatch” between low-income residents and employment centers.

    In addition, lack of business competition in poor neighborhoods can drive up prices for basic goods and services—like food, car insurance, utilities, and financial services—compared to what families pay in middle-income neighborhoods.

    Raise costs for local government. The concentration of poor individuals and families—which can result in elevated welfare
    caseloads, high rates of indigent patients at hospitals and clinics, and the need for increased policing—burdens the fiscal capacity of local governments and can divert resources from the provision of other public goods. In turn, these dynamics can lead to higher taxes for local businesses and non-poor residents."

    http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2011/1103_poverty_kneebone_nadeau_berube/1103_poverty_kneebone_nadeau_berube.pdf

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  29. Here's the link to the FBI Report:
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010

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