Is there any truth to Brewer's claim that illegal immigrants are beheading people in the Arizona Desert?
According to the evidence gathered, very little truth. But Latte Republic is giving Governor Brewer points for taking the time to read a constituent letter -in which the constituent, David Lowell appears to have embellished the truth based on his personal interpretation of the events that took place on his ranch back in 2008).
Dennis Welch, a reporter writing for the Arizona Guardian contacted the coroner's offices in Yuma, Pima, Pinal, Maricopa, Santa Cruz, and Cochise counties. All six county coroner office representatives interviewed deny investigating any immigration related crime that involved beheading.
Janice Fields, who works for a private company that provides coroner services to Cochise County said police have brought in two human skulls over the last four years. One of the victims was eventually identified as a U.S. citizen, the other remains unidentified. Fields cautioned that finding a skull in the desert does not mean someone was beheaded. Animals often drag body parts to different locations.
Fox News reports that a cowboy on the Atascosa Ranch in Santa Cruz County found a skull of an undocumented immigrant on June 27, 2008. The ranch owner, J. David Lowell described the discovery in a letter to Governor Brewer in a letter earlier this month.
"On that day one of our ranch hands was working horseback and discovered a human head near a trail believed to be used by drug and alien smugglers," said Lowell. "Although the head was missing the lower jaw, it was immediately apparent that much of the mass and flesh of the head was still present. The cowboy searched the area in hope of finding the remainder of the body to no avail."Dr, Bruce Parks, the Pima and Santa Cruz chief medical examiner confirmed that the head was identified through DNA testing as that of 43 year old Francisco Fuentes Dominguez, who was not a U.S. citizen.
Bruce also reported that another skull was found by U.S. Border Patrol agents on Sopori Ranch in Tubac, Arizona on June 9, 2008. That skull was never identified.
Lowell, whose ranch is only 5 miles from the US/Mexico border told reporters that the dismemberment was most likely a stunt used by drug cartel traffickers to mark territory.
Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada confirmed that a skull was discovered on Lowell's ranch, but said there was no evidence that a decapitation had taken place - he opined that it was just a skull that was discovered on the ranch.
So now I can't even post a link or everything goes off into cyberspace....there's a ghost in this machine...or a virus...maybe it's an international one... ;)
ReplyDeleteSeriously, I had an edited post and two links and when I hit post comment it all went into cyberspace.....
ReplyDeleteMaybe the machine is conspiring with 'anon as if' to tell me to STFU...
ReplyDeleteThough I've checked and it's only happening here...Time to call Peggy in Mumbai.. ;)
ReplyDeleteI've been having similar posting challenges...
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But, what KIND of cowboy found that head, I mean was he tall, thin, lots of angst, can not quit you, type? Voters wanna know... will there be a movie: Brokeback Mtn 2 : The Headlesss.
ReplyDeleteThe problems is with misinformation, the story will stick in many minds of the short attention spanned who never read the follow up.
ReplyDeleteJust like Beck admitting he lied. I saw people interviewed yesterday who were still spouting the nonsense and had not read, but also did not believe, Beck had admitted lying.
So yes all these idiots and their propaganda are dangerous when we have a population losing it's skills of analysis.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/04/jan-brewer-admits-she-was_0_n_705722.html
Elizabeth, you seem to be arguing that it is not the lying that has such deep and profound political effects, but the poor analytical skills of the general population.
ReplyDeleteI guess what the ignorant masses need is guidance from the correct thinking college educated elite.
Some times common sense tells us that both sides are lying, cheating thieves, and damned if we need some elite to do our thinking for us.
You act as if Beck is the only one who lies or has an effect on the ignorant population.
Do you not think that other liars have effects too. Even, God forbid liberal mouthpieces.
Do you not think that many of the ignorant masses have the ability to discern Beck as not trustworthy and not listen to everything he says.
You have lost faith in the common American without a college education to think critically.
Just because you can prove that one idiot listens to another idiot, does not then prove that everyone in the whole country are idiots.
You are giving Beck, entirely too much credit for simply spouting his opinion, which by the way is all that you also do on this site.
Not to worry Liz, there are many Americans that have common sense, and look at most politicians as self-centered people simply attempting to pick our pockets and line their own.
During Hurricane Katrina I noticed all the politicians fighting over the microphone to blame some one else over the plight of the poor people in New Orleans.
I also noticed that none, zero of these politicians were poor, and that Washington DC continues to prosper even during this depression.
Common sense tells me that our country is being governed by far too many people who do not have our best interests in mind, and these politicians come from both parties. Many folks in the Tea Party, and on Main Street see our politicians in the same light.
When was the last time your representitive actually responded to your needs?? (mine has never even returned a phone call)
Make fun of us, call us stupid if all you want, but your words are recorded for prosperity, which is the downside of having your own soapbox, also known as a blog site.
Beck lied, so why is this surprising or a big deal.
When a politician lies, it hurts people, but when Beck lies, there is really little effect except in the minds of elite ideologues.
When you hear the same misinformation Beck and Limbaugh are spewing day in and out, even on the local blogs, from conservatives or Tea Party identifiers-- one has to acknowledge that these lying yahoos are having some impact.
ReplyDeleteWhy do a majority of Republicans now believe Obama is a Muslim or was not born in this country if the Taitz/Palin/Bachmanns, Limbaughs, Becks, O'REilly's and others of the world have little effect?
To me, it feels like the Party of No does not have our best interests in mind. They lie about taxation and who their no new taxes, or extend the Bush tax cuts chants really benefit.
When the Dems tried to incorporate Republican ideas into Health Care reform, they then spurned their own ideas.
Their interest is to get back in office and continue the corruption fest they, and conservative Dems have supported for decades.
It's the same old Republican shit over and over. There are no new Republican ideas. Yet when they get power then they adopt some Democratic goals and pretend they are their own new deep thoughts. Is it any wonder a lot of us don't believe a word they say about having the interests of the country in mind. They are simply about placating the rich and getting elected by scaring people.
Here's an honest Republican.
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All Democrats have our best interests at heart, and all Republicans get their voting orders from Glenn Beck.
ReplyDeleteAnd Shaun is an intellectual with all the simple answers to life's complex problems.
Vote Democrat, and all will be well in the world.
Individual health insurance costs up 15% in Washington State.(today's Seattle Times)
Obama said insurance would be cheaper.
Beck said insurance would be more expensive.
Oh how simple life's questions are.
Did you even read the whole article?
ReplyDeleteObama can't stop them from fleecing us because ignorant Republicans fought reform. These 15% figures have been getting knocked around in every state, but so far it's just talk. And if you read the article you see the wide disparity from plan to plan. Insinuating they are all going up by 15% is just lying ass propaganda, but again who would put it past them. Republicans have given them the keys and they will not disappoint.
Who do you think has worked to gag Kreidler?
Repeating bullshit does not make you an intellectual either
But nice try pretending that this is Obamas fault.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012827665_ratehikes07m.html
Why aren't Republicans speaking out against this whack job so-calked pastor and his sleqazy un-0
ReplyDeleteChristian like flock?
Oh yeah, it's one more way to scare the white folks this election and that's all they've got...fear, fear and more fear. Well this brand of Christianity is to be feared more than non-radical Islam.....
http://www.slate.com/id/2266404/
There's a gremlin in my edit.
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