8/31/2010 Update: it's obvious from the number of hits that Latte Republic is receiving today and yesterday that mudslinging is a hot topic in Whatcom County.
Apexnerd and I are very interested in hearing your thoughts about how we can discourage future smear campaigns in our Community.
Here is yesterday's post:
'A smear campaign is an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an individual or group's reputation, credibility, and character. "Mud slinging", like negative campaigning, most often targets government officials, politicians, political candidates, and other public figures. However, private persons or groups may also become targets of smear campaigns perpetrated in schools, companies, institutions, families, and other social groups. Wikipedia"
From the author of NorthwestReview: (Greg Kirsch)
CAUTION The article linked to below contains disturbing graphics and ideas anathema to political partisans.
http://norwestreviewlocal.blogspot.com/2010/08/party-of-living-dead.html
Latte Republic's response:
The only individual you're damaging with these nasty, personal attacks, Mr. Kirsch, is Mayor Dan Pike. With friends like you, he'll never be without enemies!
This is Pike's guy. He's doing Pike's dirty work. It's shameful. If Dan Pike thinks Kelli Linville ought to do something she's not, he should talk to her. He should not have this guy throwing mud at her. Because make no mistake, PIke and Kirsch are close.
ReplyDeleteWhy is Greg Kirsch whispering nonsense in Pike's ear then spewing it out to divert the public? Because Dan Pike has accomplished absolutely nothing in the last 2 years. Nothing. Building in the city part of the lake continues merrily along. There's been no 'Lake Whatcom Czar' hired. No cooperation on a better waterfront. No Chuckanut Ridge protected. Nothing.
So instead of making the community better, Kirsch and Pike spend their time sitting around with their little tin hats on, coming up with crazy conspiracy theories and spewing out drivel about private citizens. Sad. No wonder businesses are closing right and left in this town.
Kinda early for 2011 smear campaign? Pike owns this blather until he apologizes and disowns Greg.
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't Kirsch explaining Pike's arrest record, huge developer financial support, close ties to Syre, his numerous convictions for PDC violations?
This frantic, early smear campaign is a hope meant to somehow frame the issues and direct the discussion away from the many flaws Pike carries around with him like some fake Cambridge accent.
How about it Pike? Apologize or own it.
"This is Pike's guy." Ha,ha. Oh that's rich!
ReplyDeleteI'm sure he will reassure you all that's hardly the case. Hell, there will probably be a queue of courageous politicos assuring you they listen but don't inhale!
Pike's guy. Gotta remember that. So rich!
Although I agree Kirsch's smears are insulting and counterproductive, I can't agree they're pinned to Pike. For one thing, Kirsch's idiotic rants serve no cause I can discern that actually aid Pike.
ReplyDeleteWe can't always control and restrain the jackasses and knaves who sign on to our causes.
The McShanes, however, deserve far better. As do all who put themselves out there to serve on behalf of the public.
I am sorry I ever gave Kirsch credit for a few things/anything he ever said.
ReplyDeleteNot living in the city, I have not had to concern myself too much with the city elections; but I do know people in the administration who also lament what a disorganized and easily distracted idiot the mayor can be. Some say he is really just part time at best.
I'll leave the particulars to you who know more than I, but I got the pathetically immature cheap shot at Kelli's husband and the photo-shopped piece was just asinine as is this one.
Just for ASSHOLE points alone, I can't imagine ever listening to this guy with a serious ear again.
Greg, your crap may play well at your sniper's nest of a blog, (why no anonymous comments section there big stuff) but you sir are a pathetically shallow and disturbed little piss ant as far as I can tell.
From time to time on the blogs, I have found some of Kirsch's comments of some merit, but I really am amazed how fast he is sinking--at least in my respect for him. Not knowing the guy, I think I have given him way too much credit. Even I, with my limited knowledge of this feud, could smell this guys' diaper.
ReplyDeleteThese last two postings with the photo-shopped nonsense he is putting out there is pathetically Bush league.
Who is this playing to and what is the point. Why not just hold up a big sign and say "I'm losing it."
He did answer one big age old question for me though ..... I wasn't off by much, but enough. But bygones are bygones...
I would not presume to consider myself in the same league of understanding on the all the issues as Dan and Lisa. Sometimes I agree, sometimes not. But for Kirsch to be such a butthole to them is just a big eye opener about who this supposed , how did Sam put it, person who has the ear of influential people, really is.
Elisabeth, You know Mayor Pike disavowed Mr. Kirsch's attack on Kelli over at Sam's blog.
ReplyDeleteDo you think the Mayor was being disingenuous and blowing smoke?
J - he didn't disavow anything. What exactly did he say? He skirted the issue. Kirsh is the guy he spends his time strategizing with. Heck, over at Servais blog Kirsh and Horowitz both agree that Kirsh is the one who gets people access to Pike! If Pike wanted that ugly blog post on Linville down, it would be down.
ReplyDeleteI think Pike is glad to have someone else to do his dirty work.
Shaun - there's nothing this guy says that is true. He has access only to Pike and they spend their time coming up with odd conspiracy theories. Meanwhile, there's a city with no leader.
Well he said it was over the top mudslinging. I am too far out of this loop to know all the ins and outs of these relationships, but I usually try to think the best of people. However,from that latest bizarre post I don't think I'll pay much attention to him in the future.
ReplyDeleteWell like I said, anon..you could smell this guy's depends from a ways off. I will be much more critical in the future. Like J, I have never met him and really don't know all the ins and outs of Pike. Like the other anon I don't live in the city either.
ReplyDeleteBut thanks for alerting us to this. I added a comment on Latte to the older posts over at the Herald blog. More people need to know this guy is a crank and a major jerk
J.
ReplyDeleteYou missed the point of my post.
Mr. Kirsch has already stated that he doesn't care what other people think of his posts. But, as the comments posted above demonstrate, a number of people do associate the Mayor with Mr. Kirsch, thanks to Mr. Kirsh's participation in the 2007 Mayorial race.
After three years of suffering countless personal attacks by Pike supporters, I doubt the McShanes give a hoot what Kirsch says.
But Kirsch's comments (rightly or wrongly) can and do harm the reputations of community leaders that he has been publicly connected with.
That is the point of this post. Rumors can and do take on a life of their own, irregardless of the Mayor or anyone else's public "refudiation" of Mr. Kirsh's posts. (And, yes, I do realize that "refudiate" is not a real word).
Smear campaigns cause considerable harm to the reputations of people who have volunteered and donated time to improve our community.
Let this post serve as a reminder that negative campaigning often comes back to bite candidates even years after the campaign is over.
A campaign strategy based on disinformation and illusion is a double-edged sword. In other words, it can cut both ways.
That's the gist of my post.
I get it Elisabeth, and I agree wholeheartedly. This has really opened my eyes to Mr. Kirsch and I agree the mayor needs to get off his duff and address it as well.
ReplyDeleteI too would appreciate it if the mayor addressed this.
ReplyDeleteI also think the public should be able to see what communication has taken place between this man and the mayor. I'd be very glad to see local press ask for copies of this information. Given what I hear from people who work at the city about the mayor and his penchant for gossip and his ego it could be revealing.
Is it true that G. Kirsch actually lives in Los Angeles and has some kind of squid export business down there??
ReplyDeleteWhy is Pike having Greg attack people up here?
Does pike feel more comfortable with a fellow carpetbagger running around like a mad dog doing his paranoiac campaign dirty work? Pike, another carpetbagger, didn't even bother to vote in Bellingham for ten years before he ran himself for office.
Why is Pike running his 2011 re-election campaign in 2010 any way?
Aren't there more expensive junket trips to sister cities he hasn't taken yet? Maybe he can fire a few more librarians to pay for these trips!
I'm still focused on the potential fallout of Kirsch's post (of which we are seeing plenty of examples).
ReplyDeleteGreg Kirsch has stated that he is writing these articles as an independent author. That he has not been asked to post them.
My primary concern is that Greg's nasty posts harm community leaders that he has been associated with in the past.
I mentioned my concern about the Mayor, because the mayor was mentioned in the article and I felt that some of the members of the blogging community would perceive the article as an early campaign piece. (An assumption that seems to be supported by the comments on this post).
But there is no evidence that suggests that the Mayor is participating in Mr. Kirsch's blogs.
Again, we are discussing public "perceptions" of the post, not the Mayor's actual behavior. I think it is important to acknowledge that the Mayor did not write the piece. Nor did he write the other post that Sam Taylor linked to last week.
Here's my question: does perception = politics?
(I realize that this is a somewhat loaded question).
Latte Republic's goal is to ensure that we have clean, transparent elections.
Otherwise, I would have ignored Mr. Kirsch's post or fact checked it.
Elisabeth, I think you've identified part of the problem. Kirsch is writing them, but he's responding to his conversations with the mayor. Recently there were several reports of the mayor once again/still gossiping about his former opponent's wife. Weird conspiracy theories that don't pass the silly grin test.
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine Obama meeting with elected officials in bars and telling them conspiracy theories about Cindy McCain?
From my view it's not even perception. The reality is that the mayor is an active participant in smarmy gossip. That gossip leads to blog posts from his closest political advisor. It needs to stop. But it will only stop when the mayor stops.
Well, wait a minute. I agree that it's "Time for Civility," but aren't we getting further from that goal? "Time" says "Recently there were several reports of the mayor once again/still gossiping about his former opponent's wife." How is this not gossip? Then "Time" complains that "The reality is that the mayor is an active participant in smarmy gossip." Well, so is "Time." So just stop it, everybody! The Dan vs. Dan race is over!
ReplyDeleteThe story is still unwritten of the stunning, remarkable way in which Lisa McShane was able to recruit and create support for a constellation of candidates whose efforts continue to this day to shine. The efforts of people Lisa helped usher into office include Sharon Roy to Laurie C-S to Seth Fleetwood to Carl Weimer and Dan McShane to, yes, Ken Mann--an amazing success story that deserves praise and respect, not scorn.
ReplyDeleteNot all of that rocky road was without bumps and potholes, but--my God--do we seriously kid ourselves that the individuals named above have not advanced progressive government in Whatcom County? And that Dan Pike himself was not aided and assisted and in fact lifted into office on the wave of that same effort? Jean Melious? If it is to be, she also will be lifted into office on a wave and an awareness that Dan and Lisa helped create.
Let’s not forget--in a climate in which political machinations occur in closeted rooms, financed by a few nasty, shadowy characters--Dan and Lisa invited these people to run in daylight and the open air, affiliations known and understood. For this, they deserve shit shoved in their faces?
They deserve our thanks for the progressive people they’ve brought into our government. Not scorn.
This is what renders GK’s screed so churlish and out-of-bounds with reality and the general arrow of progressive land-use reform in Whatcom County. Personally, I hate the ugliness GK unturned in his spadeful of spite. It angers me.
I’m sick of hearing innuendoes about what this couple might have done wrong and am a lot more interested in detailing what they’ve done RIGHT.
As Camus said--this is what we learn in times of famine, that there is more to admire in their efforts than to despise.
Well said Tim, as usual.
ReplyDeleteShaun,
ReplyDeleteI agree. Tim Johnson is right on (as usual) in his assessment of Lisa Mcshane's contributions to the community. You may disagree with her, but it is difficult to criticize her commitment to our community.
Thank you all, for your contributions to this post!
Elisabeth
The real disservice of personal attacks, like those in Mr. Kirsch’s article, is that they divert attention away from the real issues. We have many local, regional and national problems that need our attention. Elisabeth does an excellent job of raising these issues and addressing them in detail. She deserves credit and our thanks. Unfortunately, her posts receive very few, if any, substantive comments.
ReplyDeleteWhy has this post received 21 comments (including this one), but the real issues cannot attract our attention? Have we lost our ability to move beyond the sound bites?
Mr. Kirsch’s rants should not be confused with the real work being done by people like Elisabeth, Shaun / Apexnerd, Wendy Harris, and, yes, even John Servais and others at Northwest Citizens.
What will it take to focus on the issues at hand – locally, regionally, and nationally?
Which are of more interest to Latte Republic readers?
Can we focus?
ReplyDeleteThank you for your kind words. Wendy, Apexnerd, Frances and I are always interested in receiving feedback from readers about issues that are important to them.
Latte Republic is a community blog and we do print articles that are written by members of the community. For instance, Abe Jacobson and John Lesow ocassionally submit articles for publication. So, if you have an interest in blogging, please don't hesitate to submit a post for publication or send me suggestions for articles.
Our goal is to post articles about topics and political issues that are important to our readers.
I can be reached at the email listed under contributors.
Elisabeth, thanks for the offer to publish something I might write. I appreciate it.
ReplyDeleteMy only hesitation is the apparent lack of interest in issues I find to be important, urgent and relevant.
I’ve already begun talking to myself. Should I now begin writing to myself?
I recall well the 2007 mayoral campaign.
ReplyDeletePike's supporters and campaign team approved:
Numerous PDC Violations
Creating Lies about Pike's background and qualifications
Hiding of massive campaign donations from developers.
Photo Stalking of McShane campaign members (female)
Stalking of McShane female campaign members by a freak in a green van.
Unleashing of Brett Bonner.
Attacking David Hunter on a private email that turned out to be accurate.
Elisabeth's House being vandalized
Elisabeth's car being destroyed
Dubious Bellwether fund raisers
FEC violations
OSC violation
(Not a peep out of any of Pike supporters condemning these actions)
The fact that leading Dems have yet to come forward and condemn this kind activity shows what a wimpy party it really is. Kirsch may be correct here. They are not going to get good candidates when they allow Pikesters to attack, smear, lie, cheat and drag out elections into the mud.
Pike, Kirsch, Bronstein, Mookerjee, and the rest of the campaign team from 2007 are already doing what worked for them, only sooner. Can you blame them? It works!
Next, I expect Pike will try to write a check to the Dems to buy their continued wimpish silence?
There is no feud, there is no Dan v Dan. The campaign was 3 years ago. On election night Dan McShane called Pike to concede and congratulate him. The McShane's wished Pike well and walked away.
ReplyDeleteNow 3 years later, right after Pike starts his re-election campaign, Pike's closest political advisor does this.
If the community doesn't speak up and speak out, we're in for 2 years of libelous attacks on private citizens. The community will be the poorer for this.
Yes, Can We Focus... - we should be a community that talks about issues. But if we're a community that turns aside when people are libeled and low, personal attacks leveled, then we will never have the resolve to address difficult issues. Community leadership means stepping up when bad things happen to people. Perhaps we can all start by calling Dan Pike and asking that this stop.
Anonymous, I agree. We should not turn aside when people are personally attacked. However, we should not let these attacks distract us from the more important business at hand.
ReplyDeleteThe real test will come when the uproar dies down.
Will we then focus on what IS important?
Or, assuming history repeats itself, will we slumber until the next wave of personal attacks?
I agree with Tim Johnson whole heartedly, Dan and Lisa McShane deserve heaping praise for nurturing and getting solid candidates elected. No question there.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with "Can we focus". This Kirsch guy is a blowhard BUT he does have freedom of speech. If he wants to put his conspiracy theories online, that's his right. Its up to us how we respond. I'm not saying we ignore, we have responded, now it is time to move on.
After Greg Kirsh dropped his pantload on Kelli Linnville and her husband, I though it appropriate to condemn his ill behavior. My response was a guarantee that the crazy loud 24-Hour (a TV show with a scary clicking clock) clock would start clicking in his head until he dropped yet another pantload.
ReplyDeleteThe GK post on Kelli Linville was repulsive, but it was more than the photoshop picture of two of our community leaders having sex. The text was filled with innuendo and a nasty attack on her spouse - an individual who has given a great deal of his time to the community including unpaid volunteer work on the original County Charter, eight years as a very poorly paid part time County Council person and years of service on the Washington State Fish and Wildlife Commission.
Even when it may be viewed as serving ones cause such as his pantloads on Pete Kremen or Sam Crawford it should not be viewed as acceptable behavior.
At an issue level though Mr. Kirsch raises a point that I find very depressing. He basically is presenting an argument justifying the City of Bellingham’s abdicating responsibility of restoring Lake Whatcom. Read through the pantload – that is what he is saying. Kelli Linville should pull money out of the state budget to fix Lake Whatcom at a time when the state is making deep painful cuts to education and public safety nets state-wide because our City can’t prioritize its spending on lake restoration projects. Hence, a pantload on her and her husband. Ecology should deny exempt well use on lots in the watershed based a legal theory regarding Bellingham’s need to protect its water right because Bellingham is incapable of using its own legal recourse.
I do know that Mr. Kirsch is very rabid about protecting Lake Whatcom, I find it depressing that even he has fallen into the trap Bellingham has fallen into for decades and apparently remains in – wanting someone else to protect and fix our lake.
I do not think it possible to stop GK’s pantloads. The 24-Hour clock is already pounding in his head. I just know that anyone sitting next to him at a council meeting might come away not smelling very good.
Hi Dan,
ReplyDeleteWhat happened back in 2007 was awful. I sincerely hope that this is the end of the personal attacks and smear campaigns.
No one, not even people we disagree with, should be treated the way you and Lisa were treated during the Mayor's race.
Pantloads are not the exclusive territory of Kirsch.
ReplyDeleteI don't know which is worse, Kirsch's commentary, or a political process in which many Americans feel abused and disenfranchised, as political favors are traded amongst the powerful.
In this light Kirsch's comments are small potatoes.
He does put the spotlight on political practices that sicken the average citizen, which I applaud.
Serious readers may want to focus on appauling political behavior and its corrosive effects on our democracy, because this issue is far mor important.
Too often we see political hacks bemoaning their victimhood when they are attacked but silent when it happens to someone else, (especially if it happens to those damned Republican)
Political corruption, special favors, and disenfrachisement, is a far more serious issue, and one sided criticism of the petty issues, is only a un-important side show of the trivial.
Hypocracy drips form the lips of Tim Johnson here and in today's Gristle when he bemoans the power of the BIAw, when they give money to Rossi, but he along with others were conspicuously silent when the money was going to their man Pike.
Remember Pike was the Democrats man, and when he took BIAW money, all who moan here were silent.
You reap what you sow.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your thoughtful comments.
Please note that I share your concerns about America's political system and applaud grassroots efforts at the state, local and federal level to increase transparency, enourage strong ethics in government and provide open government.
The way our government operates is defined by our state and federal constitutions.
For instance, 8 states have adopted laws providing candidates the option of running clean money campaigns. Please see link below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Elections. Nevertheless, the courts have knocked down provisions of newly adopted laws.
The flow of Corporate lobby money is percieved to be the primary cause of government corruption. But the Supreme Court continues to uphold the rights of Corporations as "individuals," allowing business unfettered access to the halls of government.
In other words, Congress would have to amend the U.S. Constitution in order to stop the flow of corporate money into the campaign coffers of elected officials.
Smear campaigns are often a ruse. A tool used to focus the public's attention on a percieved wrong or harmful but false rumor to undermine a strong opponent.
Kirsch wouldn't attack Dan or Lisa McShane, if he didn't fear their political influence or their ability to win a campaign.
Campaign hacks don't waste time or energy on beating up deadbeats.
That said, smear campaigns harm good people. Smear campaigns also frighten away individuals who might be good candidates (who would otherwise consider a run for office), but don't, because they do not want to subject themselves or their family members to potential mudslinging.
This behavior harms innocent spouses, sibblings and children. It also harms parents.
No one ever thinks about the children. Some one like Kirsch makes an unsubstantiated allegation. It's picked up in the blogs and mainstream media and the unsubstatiated rumor spreads like wildfire.
The candidate's children are ridiculed, taunted and tortured at school and social events. Spouses are shunned at social events. Other adult family members are forced to listen to gossip and rumors about beloved members of their family.
This is really ugly behavior that causes tremendous damage to the reputation of families in our community.
Hence, I disagree that we should ignore mudslinging.
We should be more afraid of putting an unqualified man or woman in office because he or she uses smear campaign tactics to gain the upper hand.
P.S. a number of people in this community addressed the issue of the source of Pike's campaign funds, including me. You are way off base when you claim that all who "moan here" were silent.
I'm living proof that your statement is false - and a search of archived posts on this site will bear me out.
P.S. There were a number of other community leaders who expressed concern about the source of the Mayor's campaign funds back in 2007. Some of them filed complaints, like I did.
Don't think mudslinging damages families? Talk to my son. He has a unique perspective on the damage a smear campaign (coupled with harassment and property damage)does to a family.
"Serious readers may want to focus on appalling political behavior and its corrosive effects on our democracy..."
ReplyDeleteExactly. Beck is no pundit. He is no learned man. He is an entertainer. He is a pontificating fool bent on inflaming politics rather than seeking middle ground to feather his own nest period.
And that seems to be the gist of these posts on Beck. His lies and distortions are having a corrosive effect on our country because people are buying into it if it supports their preconceived notions and plays to their basest instincts and prejudices, as Beck's do, and following his lead like lemmings with no skills at analysis.
Nearly every story he told this past weekend, as if he were some sort of scholar, turned out to be outright falsehoods.
Why do you listen to him Anonymous, if you are so concerned about the erosion of credibility as most of us are?
Shaun,
ReplyDeleteI listen to a lot of people, including Beck. I don't often agree with him, but I do not fear his ideas. Some like yourself seem to think that Beck has no ideas worth listening to. Not all good ideas are the fruit of organized education.
Common sense is under-rated, and the over-emphasis can be a sign of elitist arrogance.
I suspect that you fear that if you actually listened to Beck, he might have an idea that had merit.
Not every idea is a good one, nor do people have all bad ideas. The trouble with you, Shuan, is you tend to demonize those who you disagree with.
Where are the rest of the loyal Democrats, when their candidates take BIAW money.
Silence borne of high principles. (or so they would have us believe)
Oops, that demon Beck is on. I gotta go.
I know he is going to say something like "take the money out of politics, or that the evil churches are out to control politics."
How dare he say "We the people", and really mean it.
I know, when the politicians tell us its "We the people" we should believe them, but if that uneducated Beck says "We the people", we should discount him.
Okay Shaun, please be more specific, name five lies that Beck has told. Quick. When did he say them, and how do you know they are lies?
.... and without a college education! Harumph!
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteCheck out politifacts (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/statements/)
Politifacts has a long list of Glen Beck truths, half truths and pants on fire fabrications posted on it's website.
You know what makes guys like Beck dangerous? They routinely mix lies with truth. And the listening audience does not always have the ability to sort fact from fiction.
If Mr. Beck fits your definition of a credible news source - by all means, turn on the radio. I think he's on the air right now!
But don't badger the rest of us into joining you.
Somehow, despite the fact that I have a college education, I have retained the ability to discern the difference between entertainment and the news.
Liz,
ReplyDeleteI asked Shaun the question for a reason. Ranting without the truth is not an exclusive of Beck.
You may have a college education, but that has not allowed you discern the difference between opinion and news.(or entertainment for that matter)
News Flash to Liz; Beck does not even begin to consider his show news. I consider Beck's show in the same category as Colbert, and Stewart
Frankly, Liz, fact checking many of today's politicians does not evoke a better record for the truth than Beck. (and politicians take an oath, to the public which pays them, and Beck does not)
It is simply that the left hates the guy, for his opinion.
Sometimes things are just not that complicated.
How about those BIAW contributions to Democrats, right Tim?
politifact truth o meter.
ReplyDeletePercent true statements
Nancy Pelosi 10% of the time
Harry Reid 15% of the time
President Obama 25% of the time
Your source Liz.
I am more worried about our government, than I am some political commentator.
Our political leaders have real power, while Beck has very little.
Get your priorities straight.
Anon.
ReplyDeleteI post links to fact check sites for all of us to use - regardless of "who" is being fact checked. If someone lies - it's posted on this site via the politfact widget.
I'm very aware of what constitutes "spin" or "disinformation" or "entertainment."
But unlike you, I'm not that worried about government. I understand how government works.
I'm more worried about "disinformation campaigns" that prevent citizens from interacting with government to bring about real change.
Partisan politics and the inflammatory rhetoric that accompanies it -- is preventing us from working together as a nation to find solutions to the problems that threaten our economy and our ability to compete in the global market place.
But then again, gridlock is part of the plan, isn't it?
Anonymuse, Geez, what an easy assignment.
ReplyDeleteIt's almost impossible to know where to start, but I will lay out a few of the whoppers and distortions mouthed by the Faux news idiot for you brain trust, with links, but some will be separate posts...easiest for a one dimensional thinker to grasp first..
At his rally he claimed to have handled an historical document written by George Washington that is housed in the National Archives, yet no one except trained technicians are allowed anywhere near them when not housed behind plexiglass...look it up yourself, it's all over the internet.
He has claimed that the Constitution was based on biblical quotations including the book of Deuteronomy, quoting one of his favorite delusional Christian writers, David Barton, who's works,but no cigar...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/7/7/7852/26495
He complained that Senators were not asking hard questions of Justice Sotomayor during her confirmation, but apparently not paying much attention since it was only the day for opening statements.....
ReplyDeletehttp://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/14/beck-sotomayor-questioning/
He completely fabricated the history of the Washington Monument as he addressed his lemmings..
ReplyDeletehttp://alphadogreporter.newsvine.com/_news/2010/09/01/5023219-glen-beck-lies-about-washington-monument-history
He claimed that the choice of the place and date of his 'I have a scheme" speech was a matter of divine providence and he didn't know it was on the same day or at the same place.....
ReplyDeleteYou don't need a link, you just need to sniff to smell this full diaper..
He said that no other President had ever been sworn in without a Bible.....wrong
ReplyDeletehttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090801235203AAgK2ig
How about a Glenn Beck lie fest...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8EXq7wl0wk
So many lies they had to split it up.....Part deux
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8EXq7wl0wk
There is a whole frigging You Tube library of Glenn Beck lies and this is just one little instance...this year alone..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm7NrKtXANI
How stupid do you have to be to lie over and over again on video? He must not think much f you anonymuse...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGcXHt-QEZg
It's as true today as it was laszt year...
ReplyDeletehttp://politicalirony.com/2009/08/14/glenn-beck-literally-lies-his-ass-of-on-health-care/
Lies, lies and more lies....
ReplyDeletehttp://glennbeckreport.com/glenn-beck-lies/
So are you sayin that all these people came to Washington expecting to hear lies, and were there just for the entertainment? Methinks You're full of it.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/chase-whiteside/new-left-media-interviews_b_699897.html?ir=Media
All these frightened white people came just for a laugh?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.slate.com/id/2265515/
Gee, they thought they were there for activism. Guess they didn't get the memo that this was nothing but a charade about restoring honor,
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thirdage.com/news/glenn-beck-rally-what-was-point_9-1-2010
And wasn't it Congresswoman Michelle, 'I don't have a clue about anything' BAchmann who claimed the crowd was 1.6 million? Well she sure is a raving, lying Beckite...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html
So this moron was just there for the entertainment...
ReplyDeletehttp://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/bachmann-claims-estimate-of-16-million-people-at-glenn-beck-rally-audio.php
We could go on all night anonymuse, but at the end of the day, your attempts to spin this as if Beck doesn't have any power and is only an entertainer falls flat on it's face when scholars like yourself repeat his falsehoods and utter nonsense day in and day out, but then Beck has always been full of it...so why are you defending him?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bordom.net/view/28268/Glenn_Beck_Has_ALWAYS_Been_Full_Of_Shit_
So anonymous, as if, I await your spin because on this subject that is all you've got....
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And that concludes my Shaun fest on the moron who is only an entertainer---
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E--sorry for being uncivil to anon, but we are old adversaries and uncivil ideas hiding behind civility gets me going every time.
ReplyDeleteAnon, another day amigo....
Is there a 'Shaun Speed Limit' on the number of emanations allowed per day?
ReplyDeleteI hope it's in kilometers... ;)
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